I've never used them in anything but my wife's .380 and they actually do pretty good (100gn HBRN) for a pocket gun (M&P 380 shield EZ). 1 7/16" pattern at 25' not to bad for a 3.6" barrel. I shoot mostly Xtreme's 124gn HP's in my 9mm and love em but there's not to much available for the .380 in plated but after seeing this thread maybe I'll try some of Xtreme's 100gn RNFP.