Red Barron - 24.5 grain with 150 fmj-bt gave me a touching cloverleaf at 50yrds in 30-06 in my 03A3.... Virtually no recoil but, with a nice report - it was so much fun. I think I have my new plinking, reduced load powder... I am going to try 7.62x54r tomorrow. I think I am going to cluster around the 24.5 since I will be using .311 - 150gr FMJ. What do you think? And again - thanks!