Thread: 454 casull in rifle
Grim300Win 08:06 AM 10-31-2018
Folks I have a Rossi M92 chambered in 454 casull. I’ve asked this question on several FB pages and have gotten so many varying answers. Figure I’ll ask here. I want to load Hornady 240 XTP mags for hunting. It will be fired from a lever action rifle. Should I just use Hornadys load data for pistol? Their load data for this projectile and H110 powder starts at 34.1g and max at 36.9. Their load data is for a freedom arms revolver. I’m a little worried about a fast burning pistol powder in a rifle. I don’t wanna create a bomb. I’ve got a friend that’s a smith and long range shooter. He ran everything through quick load and that program recommended 30 grains to start and 35 max. I’m worried about where to start... maybe I’m just overthinking it.... it was afterall designed with factory 454 in mind... and I have shot factory ammo through it with no issues.... so... what says you? Thanks for any input folks.
Factory rifles in a pistol caliber, are designed to shoot factory PISTOL loads.
Load with book recommendations, start low and work up, and you will be fine.
In almost every pistol caliber chambered rifle, this is the design. You can use the slower powders or slowest powder for a pistol, and squeeze a little more velocity out of the rifle, and do it with an easier pressure curve.
Load with book recommendations, start low and work up, and you will be fine.
In almost every pistol caliber chambered rifle, this is the design. You can use the slower powders or slowest powder for a pistol, and squeeze a little more velocity out of the rifle, and do it with an easier pressure curve.
Originally Posted by Grim300Win:
Folks I have a Rossi M92 chambered in 454 casull. I’ve asked this question on several FB pages and have gotten so many varying answers. Figure I’ll ask here. I want to load Hornady 240 XTP mags for hunting. It will be fired from a lever action rifle. Should I just use Hornadys load data for pistol? Their load data for this projectile and H110 powder starts at 34.1g and max at 36.9. Their load data is for a freedom arms revolver. I’m a little worried about a fast burning pistol powder in a rifle. I don’t wanna create a bomb. I’ve got a friend that’s a smith and long range shooter. He ran everything through quick load and that program recommended 30 grains to start and 35 max. I’m worried about where to start... maybe I’m just overthinking it.... it was afterall designed with factory 454 in mind... and I have shot factory ammo through it with no issues.... so... what says you? Thanks for any input folks.
Here's Hodgdons load data. I'd back off on the charge to start with. Otherwise you should be fine. Folks I have a Rossi M92 chambered in 454 casull. I’ve asked this question on several FB pages and have gotten so many varying answers. Figure I’ll ask here. I want to load Hornady 240 XTP mags for hunting. It will be fired from a lever action rifle. Should I just use Hornadys load data for pistol? Their load data for this projectile and H110 powder starts at 34.1g and max at 36.9. Their load data is for a freedom arms revolver. I’m a little worried about a fast burning pistol powder in a rifle. I don’t wanna create a bomb. I’ve got a friend that’s a smith and long range shooter. He ran everything through quick load and that program recommended 30 grains to start and 35 max. I’m worried about where to start... maybe I’m just overthinking it.... it was afterall designed with factory 454 in mind... and I have shot factory ammo through it with no issues.... so... what says you? Thanks for any input folks.
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If you stick with published load data the round will be safe in both a pistol and a rifle. You may find a slower burning power will produce a little more velocity out of a rifle and a bigger muzzle flash out of a pistol. Just the nature of the beast.
If you wanted to dig into it more....
When the load data is developed the Test barrels are tighter (cut at SAAMI min) then typical, and is not vented. This generates pressures that are a tad higher then what a typical production rifle produces. If a max load is safe for a rifle it will be just find for a pistol.
Reloading...it’s like knitting for men.
If you wanted to dig into it more....
When the load data is developed the Test barrels are tighter (cut at SAAMI min) then typical, and is not vented. This generates pressures that are a tad higher then what a typical production rifle produces. If a max load is safe for a rifle it will be just find for a pistol.
Reloading...it’s like knitting for men.
Originally Posted by Grim300Win:
Folks I have a Rossi M92 chambered in 454 casull. I’ve asked this question on several FB pages and have gotten so many varying answers. Figure I’ll ask here. I want to load Hornady 240 XTP mags for hunting. It will be fired from a lever action rifle. Should I just use Hornadys load data for pistol? Their load data for this projectile and H110 powder starts at 34.1g and max at 36.9. Their load data is for a freedom arms revolver. I’m a little worried about a fast burning pistol powder in a rifle. I don’t wanna create a bomb. I’ve got a friend that’s a smith and long range shooter. He ran everything through quick load and that program recommended 30 grains to start and 35 max. I’m worried about where to start... maybe I’m just overthinking it.... it was afterall designed with factory 454 in mind... and I have shot factory ammo through it with no issues.... so... what says you? Thanks for any input folks.
I’ve got a puma 92 in 454. I love it. I shoot 260gr partitions (discontinued unfortunately) and 300gr hornady xtp out of it. For both I have used the pistol data out of the manuals, with no troubles at all. You are good to go buddy. Folks I have a Rossi M92 chambered in 454 casull. I’ve asked this question on several FB pages and have gotten so many varying answers. Figure I’ll ask here. I want to load Hornady 240 XTP mags for hunting. It will be fired from a lever action rifle. Should I just use Hornadys load data for pistol? Their load data for this projectile and H110 powder starts at 34.1g and max at 36.9. Their load data is for a freedom arms revolver. I’m a little worried about a fast burning pistol powder in a rifle. I don’t wanna create a bomb. I’ve got a friend that’s a smith and long range shooter. He ran everything through quick load and that program recommended 30 grains to start and 35 max. I’m worried about where to start... maybe I’m just overthinking it.... it was afterall designed with factory 454 in mind... and I have shot factory ammo through it with no issues.... so... what says you? Thanks for any input folks.
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I had a LSI/Rossi chambered in 454Casull. It was all stainless with a 16" bbl.
Couple things - - -> The 454Casull is a high pressure cartridge. Especially in it's small primer configuration. IIRC . . . 65K psi. The 92 action is much stronger than a 94 action. An EXTREMELY low charge of H110 is dangerous. ( Obviously a large charge is also.) Those 240gr Mags are a good bullet and will hold together at "highway" speeds.
Outta my gun I shot CBP 265gr WFNGC's at close to 2000fps. They were devastating on both hogs and the bambi sized deer down here. I also shot the CBP 335's and 360's. I believe both were WFNGC also. Possibly WLNGC. Anyway all shot extremely good. All were hardcast also. I would not hesitate to use the 360's on Alaskan moose,black bear,and under the right circumstances possibly brown and grizz.
My "theory" was. If you want to load a 454Casull down,buy a 45LC. I shot only max doses of H110 outta my gun.
But . . . when you start approaching 60K psi the little Rossi's stomp the proverbial shit outta ya. --- SAWMAN
Couple things - - -> The 454Casull is a high pressure cartridge. Especially in it's small primer configuration. IIRC . . . 65K psi. The 92 action is much stronger than a 94 action. An EXTREMELY low charge of H110 is dangerous. ( Obviously a large charge is also.) Those 240gr Mags are a good bullet and will hold together at "highway" speeds.
Outta my gun I shot CBP 265gr WFNGC's at close to 2000fps. They were devastating on both hogs and the bambi sized deer down here. I also shot the CBP 335's and 360's. I believe both were WFNGC also. Possibly WLNGC. Anyway all shot extremely good. All were hardcast also. I would not hesitate to use the 360's on Alaskan moose,black bear,and under the right circumstances possibly brown and grizz.
My "theory" was. If you want to load a 454Casull down,buy a 45LC. I shot only max doses of H110 outta my gun.
But . . . when you start approaching 60K psi the little Rossi's stomp the proverbial shit outta ya. --- SAWMAN
Originally Posted by SAWMAN:
I had a LSI/Rossi chambered in 454Casull. It was all stainless with a 16" bbl.
Couple things - - -> The 454Casull is a high pressure cartridge. Especially in it's small primer configuration. IIRC . . . 65K psi. The 92 action is much stronger than a 94 action. An EXTREMELY low charge of H110 is dangerous. ( Obviously a large charge is also.) Those 240gr Mags are a good bullet and will hold together at "highway" speeds.
Outta my gun I shot CBP 265gr WFNGC's at close to 2000fps. They were devastating on both hogs and the bambi sized deer down here. I also shot the CBP 335's and 360's. I believe both were WFNGC also. Possibly WLNGC. Anyway all shot extremely good. All were hardcast also. I would not hesitate to use the 360's on Alaskan moose,black bear,and under the right circumstances possibly brown and grizz.
My "theory" was. If you want to load a 454Casull down,buy a 45LC. I shot only max doses of H110 outta my gun.
But . . . when you start approaching 60K psi the little Rossi's stomp the proverbial shit outta ya. --- SAWMAN
That’s the same one I’ve got. 16” stainless. Great little rifle. I’ve never shot a deer with it but have put the hurt on a bunch of hogs. I had a LSI/Rossi chambered in 454Casull. It was all stainless with a 16" bbl.
Couple things - - -> The 454Casull is a high pressure cartridge. Especially in it's small primer configuration. IIRC . . . 65K psi. The 92 action is much stronger than a 94 action. An EXTREMELY low charge of H110 is dangerous. ( Obviously a large charge is also.) Those 240gr Mags are a good bullet and will hold together at "highway" speeds.
Outta my gun I shot CBP 265gr WFNGC's at close to 2000fps. They were devastating on both hogs and the bambi sized deer down here. I also shot the CBP 335's and 360's. I believe both were WFNGC also. Possibly WLNGC. Anyway all shot extremely good. All were hardcast also. I would not hesitate to use the 360's on Alaskan moose,black bear,and under the right circumstances possibly brown and grizz.
My "theory" was. If you want to load a 454Casull down,buy a 45LC. I shot only max doses of H110 outta my gun.
But . . . when you start approaching 60K psi the little Rossi's stomp the proverbial shit outta ya. --- SAWMAN
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As previously stated: Those pistol caliber rifles are designed for average Joe to walk into a gun store and secure what ammo is on hand. You’ll be fine with pistol load data.
I dont have a 454, but I do sometimes shoot it in my 15inch 460 S&W T/C Encore pistol barrel. That’s as close as I can get to rifle barrel length 454. I have no problem with factory ammo. I haven’t reloaded 454 yet as I am still unloading the 454 factory ammo for the brass.
I dont have a 454, but I do sometimes shoot it in my 15inch 460 S&W T/C Encore pistol barrel. That’s as close as I can get to rifle barrel length 454. I have no problem with factory ammo. I haven’t reloaded 454 yet as I am still unloading the 454 factory ammo for the brass.
Grim300Win 11:04 AM 10-31-2018
I appreciate the input folks! Kinda figured I was just over thinking it. Just wanted to be safe.
Grim300Win 11:09 AM 10-31-2018
Originally Posted by SAWMAN:
I had a LSI/Rossi chambered in 454Casull. It was all stainless with a 16" bbl.
Couple things - - -> The 454Casull is a high pressure cartridge. Especially in it's small primer configuration. IIRC . . . 65K psi. The 92 action is much stronger than a 94 action. An EXTREMELY low charge of H110 is dangerous. ( Obviously a large charge is also.) Those 240gr Mags are a good bullet and will hold together at "highway" speeds.
Outta my gun I shot CBP 265gr WFNGC's at close to 2000fps. They were devastating on both hogs and the bambi sized deer down here. I also shot the CBP 335's and 360's. I believe both were WFNGC also. Possibly WLNGC. Anyway all shot extremely good. All were hardcast also. I would not hesitate to use the 360's on Alaskan moose,black bear,and under the right circumstances possibly brown and grizz.
My "theory" was. If you want to load a 454Casull down,buy a 45LC. I shot only max doses of H110 outta my gun.
But . . . when you start approaching 60K psi the little Rossi's stomp the proverbial shit outta ya. --- SAWMAN
I’m all about getting as much as I can as long as I can keep accuracy lolI had a LSI/Rossi chambered in 454Casull. It was all stainless with a 16" bbl.
Couple things - - -> The 454Casull is a high pressure cartridge. Especially in it's small primer configuration. IIRC . . . 65K psi. The 92 action is much stronger than a 94 action. An EXTREMELY low charge of H110 is dangerous. ( Obviously a large charge is also.) Those 240gr Mags are a good bullet and will hold together at "highway" speeds.
Outta my gun I shot CBP 265gr WFNGC's at close to 2000fps. They were devastating on both hogs and the bambi sized deer down here. I also shot the CBP 335's and 360's. I believe both were WFNGC also. Possibly WLNGC. Anyway all shot extremely good. All were hardcast also. I would not hesitate to use the 360's on Alaskan moose,black bear,and under the right circumstances possibly brown and grizz.
My "theory" was. If you want to load a 454Casull down,buy a 45LC. I shot only max doses of H110 outta my gun.
But . . . when you start approaching 60K psi the little Rossi's stomp the proverbial shit outta ya. --- SAWMAN