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    Quote Originally Posted by themazmanmechanic View Post
    Jay Andrew, i am ready for some knowledge bombs to be dropped on me! A friend of mine and i were discussing 10.5 in .223 guns the other day. I postulated that a faster burning powder may give better velocity results than standard xm193 in a short barrel. Any way you could run some numbers for 55gr hornady soft points or the 53 vmax. Oal 2.250, thanks for your weekly updates i am looking forward to the single shot action.


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    Again, sorry for the long delay here. This is a good question and I have wondered something along similar lines. So I ran a few numbers in QuickLOAD. Here's the short of it, the optimal powder for a given load, is still the best powder regardless of barrel length. At least, in this example. (One could take this to extremes and compare a 2in barrel to a 30in barrel and there may be a difference).

    One of the ways we can measure this is to look at the Velocity per Grain of powder. This gives use a simple but quick measure of the best powder for the load. The higher the number the better. While the efficiency goes up with the longer barrel, the powders maintain the same relative performance.

    FPS per Grain.png
    As we can see, the optimal powders for this load are the faster burning powders, not the slower burning CFE 223 and the AR Comp which like heavier bullets. They yield more "Bang for the Buck". Pun intended. If you are curious to see how much velocity you are sacrificing with a 10.5in barrel over a 20in barrel. That chart has been included below.

    Velocity Verses Barrel Length.png

    Also interesting to note is the muzzle pressures for all of the powders are pretty similar at both 10.5in an 20in barrel lengths.

    Muzzle Pressure vs Barrel Length.png

    Anyway, I hope this helps to scratch that curiosity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Andrew View Post
    Again, sorry for the long delay here. This is a good question and I have wondered something along similar lines. So I ran a few numbers in QuickLOAD. Here's the short of it, the optimal powder for a given load, is still the best powder regardless of barrel length. At least, in this example. (One could take this to extremes and compare a 2in barrel to a 30in barrel and there may be a difference).

    One of the ways we can measure this is to look at the Velocity per Grain of powder. This gives use a simple but quick measure of the best powder for the load. The higher the number the better. While the efficiency goes up with the longer barrel, the powders maintain the same relative performance.

    FPS per Grain.png
    As we can see, the optimal powders for this load are the faster burning powders, not the slower burning CFE 223 and the AR Comp which like heavier bullets. They yield more "Bang for the Buck". Pun intended. If you are curious to see how much velocity you are sacrificing with a 10.5in barrel over a 20in barrel. That chart has been included below.

    Velocity Verses Barrel Length.png

    Also interesting to note is the muzzle pressures for all of the powders are pretty similar at both 10.5in an 20in barrel lengths.

    Muzzle Pressure vs Barrel Length.png

    Anyway, I hope this helps to scratch that curiosity.
    If I understood this right, the barrel length has no effect on the powder choice. This surprises me. For some reason I have been under the impression that faster burning powder would be better for a shorter barrel.

    Though as I think about it, I think I coupled the faster powder with a heavier bullet. Does that possibly hold true? Would a heavier bullet be a better choice in a 10.5" barrel than a lighter one? Though I guess "better" is subjective. Let's say the difference in muzzle velocity loss compared to a longer barrel. Would a 90gr bullet have less losses (by percentage or whatever seems to accurately compare the two) in a 10.5" than a 50gr when compared to a 16" barrel?

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