Loading your own defense ammo.

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10-25-2018, 08:26 AM
Spartan1980

Loading your own defense ammo.

So is anyone out there reloading or planning on loading your own defense rounds? With the newly enforced "restrictions" by Speer/Federal/ATK on only selling 50 count LE boxes to credentialed LEOs and departments I have a hard time giving them anymore business. I'll load my own Gold Dots or switch to Remington, Magtech, Sig, etc. Note that this is in no way a slap at the LEO community, it is however a full on face slap at the manufacturers that think we "private citizens" should have to pay a 100% markup for quality, proven, ammunition.

And I'm also wondering if Speer will continue to sell Gold Dot bullets to handloaders in the common defensive pistol calibers on an ongoing basis. About the only silver lining I can see coming from this is that primers should become more available when their sales demand drops through the floor.
10-25-2018, 08:43 AM
Wes Sage

I load all my own, and use nothing but Gold Dots, in Nickel cases.
Primers won't go down due to SD ammo things changing though

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Originally Posted by Spartan1980

So is anyone out there reloading or planning on loading your own defense rounds? With the newly enforced "restrictions" by Speer/Federal/ATK on only selling 50 count LE boxes to credentialed LEOs and departments I have a hard time giving them anymore business. I'll load my own Gold Dots or switch to Remington, Magtech, Sig, etc. Note that this is in no way a slap at the LEO community, it is however a full on face slap at the manufacturers that think we "private citizens" should have to pay a 100% markup for quality, proven, ammunition.

And I'm also wondering if Speer will continue to sell Gold Dot bullets to handloaders in the common defensive pistol calibers on an ongoing basis. About the only silver lining I can see coming from this is that primers should become more available when their sales demand drops through the floor.
10-25-2018, 08:57 AM
coachk12

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Originally Posted by Spartan1980

So is anyone out there reloading or planning on loading your own defense rounds? With the newly enforced "restrictions" by Speer/Federal/ATK on only selling 50 count LE boxes to credentialed LEOs and departments I have a hard time giving them anymore business. I'll load my own Gold Dots or switch to Remington, Magtech, Sig, etc. Note that this is in no way a slap at the LEO community, it is however a full on face slap at the manufacturers that think we "private citizens" should have to pay a 100% markup for quality, proven, ammunition.

And I'm also wondering if Speer will continue to sell Gold Dot bullets to handloaders in the common defensive pistol calibers on an ongoing basis. About the only silver lining I can see coming from this is that primers should become more available when their sales demand drops through the floor.

Nope too much liability..gives an attorney ammunition against you in a shoot..

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10-25-2018, 09:01 AM
Wes Sage

Never happened in history where someone has had that used against them.
Odds of actually shooting someone in SD are so small, it will never matter in our lives, and ammo is not something they are going to dig into.
Just my .02c

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Originally Posted by coachk12

Nope too much liability..gives an attorney ammunition against you in a shoot..

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10-25-2018, 09:08 AM
Adam Van Camp

I load all of my own SD ammo.
10-25-2018, 02:39 PM
CodySPowell

Here's my results with my defensive hand loads!
115gr Speer Gold Dotshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...421daa6e78.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5f6fc2cc76.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...78e1c33af2.jpg

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10-25-2018, 05:34 PM
Spartan1980

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Originally Posted by coachk12

Nope too much liability..gives an attorney ammunition against you in a shoot..

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In my state and good shoot is a good shoot. But I've yet to find a case that reloaded ammo was even brought up. If there's one out there, I'd like to see it.
10-25-2018, 05:35 PM
ReneeMicelli

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Originally Posted by Wes Sage

Never happened in history where someone has had that used against them.
Odds of actually shooting someone in SD are so small, it will never matter in our lives, and ammo is not something they are going to dig into.
Just my .02c

Wes is 100% correct. That story is a fallacy perpetuated by Mas Ayoob and a few others who make good money testifying in court cases where the ammo manufacturers get named as co-defendants. It is in those gentlemen's self interests that you use factory ammo to defend themselves because they make beau coup bucks for very little work.
10-25-2018, 05:38 PM
Spartan1980

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Originally Posted by Wes Sage

I load all my own, and use nothing but Gold Dots, in Nickel cases.
Primers won't go down due to SD ammo things changing though

Oh I know, those days where they were $0.01 apiece for all those years are long gone. But I'd just like to be able to buy Federal SPPs once in awhile for my tuned revos. I'll just run WSPs or up the springs and run what I can find.
10-26-2018, 01:33 AM
EUDE75

For my 45acp my defense load is a pulled black talon that i then relaxed to what my pistol likes. For my 45lc is a 250gr speer hp. For my shotgun in the house is a 410 with buck shot. 4 pellets one behind the other. Itd be like being shot 4 times in a row with a 45. A bullet is a bullet no matter who loaded it. My thought is even if it was taken to court as long as you don't say you loaded it how are they gonna know. All bullets were designed to kill. Its a projectile and it makes a hole.

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10-26-2018, 01:34 AM
EUDE75

Reloaded not relaxed. Damn autocorrect.

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10-26-2018, 07:50 AM
Tooldummy

I shoot and carry only my reloads. Primarily Hornady XTP hollow points. I saw an excellent YouTube video on reloads for self defense by a lawyer the other day. If I can find it, I'll share it.
10-27-2018, 03:59 AM
Adam Van Camp

Here is a video of a Lawyer talking about carry ammo.

https://youtu.be/OmYbV_7xGL4
10-27-2018, 04:08 AM
EUDE75

That was great. Thanks for sharing that.

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10-27-2018, 04:23 AM
Adam Van Camp

Just make sure you don't carry a pink gun. Lol
10-27-2018, 05:25 AM
EUDE75

I'm fairly sure that won't be a problem. Lol

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10-27-2018, 05:32 AM
Havok

What are you guys doing to test your defensive ammo to ensure it performs adequately? I would like to load my own defensive ammo, but want to make sure it will perform well. I have a chronograph that I can use. Are you just trying to find out what groups well at a high enough velocity for it to properly expand?
10-27-2018, 05:42 AM
CodySPowell

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Originally Posted by Havok

What are you guys doing to test your defensive ammo to ensure it performs adequately? I would like to load my own defensive ammo, but want to make sure it will perform well. I have a chronograph that I can use. Are you just trying to find out what groups well at a high enough velocity for it to properly expand?

Velocity is important for expansion. I've been playing around with homemade ballistics gel. Water jugs work well, wet newspaper or magazines work also.

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10-27-2018, 05:54 AM
EUDE75

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Originally Posted by CodySPowell

Velocity is important for expansion. I've been playing around with homemade ballistics gel. Water jugs work well, wet newspaper or magazines work also.

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I do the wet newspaper,phone books,and magazines. At some point I'm gonna try ballistic gel.

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10-27-2018, 06:01 AM
CodySPowell

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Originally Posted by EUDE75

I do the wet newspaper,phone books,and magazines. At some point I'm gonna try ballistic gel.

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I'll try the gel a couple more times, obviously I need a much bigger block...

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10-27-2018, 06:06 AM
EUDE75

Yeah. Once i can shoot again im gonna try the gel.

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10-27-2018, 03:54 PM
Brandon Salyer

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Originally Posted by Havok

What are you guys doing to test your defensive ammo to ensure it performs adequately? I would like to load my own defensive ammo, but want to make sure it will perform well. I have a chronograph that I can use. Are you just trying to find out what groups well at a high enough velocity for it to properly expand?

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10-27-2018, 05:49 PM
Adam Van Camp

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Originally Posted by Brandon Salyer

If you really want to see what would happen you need a Meat Target[emoji3481] Now with new and improved Fleece Bullet Stop.

Love that guys videos.
10-27-2018, 07:08 PM
talltexan

I've never had a problem with Hornady XTP's, in 9mm on top of HS-6 or in 45acp on top of Universal or Win231. I'm about to start playing with the XTP in 357 magnum, on top of H110 and IMR4227, to see which I like best. I'm running that same bullet in 38 special with W231 with no issues at all.
10-27-2018, 07:09 PM
CodySPowell

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Originally Posted by talltexan

I've never had a problem with Hornady XTP's, in 9mm on top of HS-6 or in 45acp on top of Universal or Win231. I'm about to start playing with the XTP in 357 magnum, on top of H110 and IMR4227, to see which I like best. I'm running that same bullet in 38 special with W231 with no issues at all.

I've had awesome success with AA#9 and 158gr XTP for my hot .357 magnum loads. Thanks to Wes.

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10-27-2018, 07:12 PM
CodySPowell

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Originally Posted by Brandon Salyer

If you really want to see what would happen you need a Meat Target[emoji3481] Now with new and improved Fleece Bullet Stop.

Where does one find such a lovely sounding item?? [emoji1787]

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10-28-2018, 06:48 AM
Havok

I don’t think I’ll be able to convince my local range to let me set any of that up, so illl probably need to find another place to shoot if I’m going to dabble in that.
10-28-2018, 07:15 AM
CodySPowell

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Originally Posted by Havok

I don’t think I’ll be able to convince my local range to let me set any of that up, so illl probably need to find another place to shoot if I’m going to dabble in that.

More than likely...
I drive an hour to my spot. In the middle of nowhere. Love it!

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10-28-2018, 11:49 AM
Brandon Salyer

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Originally Posted by CodySPowell

Where does one find such a lovely sounding item?? [emoji1787]

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Paul Harrel uses them in almost every YouTube video. If you don’t know Paul, imagine Mr Rogers, Will Farrell, and Carlos Hathcock were somehow thrown in a blender and came out as one person. He is everything you like about every gun channel, without all the BS that goes with it.
10-28-2018, 11:53 AM
CodySPowell

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Originally Posted by Brandon Salyer

Paul Harrel uses them in almost every YouTube video. If you don’t know Paul, imagine Mr Rogers, Will Farrell, and Carlos Hathcock were somehow thrown in a blender and came out as one person. He is everything you like about every gun channel, without all the BS that goes with it.

Sweet!

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10-28-2018, 11:54 AM
Adam Van Camp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Salyer

Paul Harrel uses them in almost every YouTube video. If you don’t know Paul, imagine Mr Rogers, Will Farrell, and Carlos Hathcock were somehow thrown in a blender and came out as one person. He is everything you like about every gun channel, without all the BS that goes with it.

That is a very good description of Paul. Love his videos.

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