How many grains of cfe are you using in 223?
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How many grains of cfe are you using in 223?
I have several lbs of BLC-2. Anybody want to share a load for the Zombie killers? Or at least a starting point for me to work from.
AR with 1:9 twist.
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Load for any 50gr Jacketed bullet in the book :)
Works fine as a starting point
They like to be pushed a bit
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Originally Posted by Jakebert2001
I always refer to my many manuals. Just looking for a tried n true load that may give me a head start.
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No such thing, since every rifle is different.
Just start over half way in the powder range, and it will shoot awesome, then fine tune form there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakebert2001
Ive got some 110 grain .308 i plan to lod in my 300 blackout. Anyone try this combo?
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Yep. Those are just the V-Max with a green tip. Loads and shoots the same.
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Originally Posted by Bmatt
Probably quite a bit more limited on range. Would you like me to add my info to this thread when i start testing in a couple months wes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wes Sage
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That would be awesome brother!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bmatt
Alright will do. Like i said, it will be a couple months as im about to leave. But ive got a nice AR pistol that ill be developing the load forQuote:
Originally Posted by Wes Sage
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I read a post elsewhere (I think) that the 50 gr z-max was being discontinued - any truth to that?
TIA
That's been the word on the street. Hornady is discontinuing them.Sent from my SM-J727V using TapatalkQuote:
Originally Posted by rdwarrior
That's good to know I'm about to start mine with it, out of a howa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Third Shift
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They stopped them for a year, then made a big run again. Rumors lead to the fact they will do 1 big run a year only.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdwarrior
Good to know! Thanks Wes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wes Sage
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Ahh, thank you for the info. As always you are on top of everything. [emoji16]Sent from my XT1254 using TapatalkQuote:
Originally Posted by Wes Sage
Anytime buddy. We still have a pretty good stash here we got off another dealer going out of business :)
I called and your right wes, one a year if that. So I'm going to order two boxes now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wes Sage
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Thanks buddy!!
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Originally Posted by Shane P
I have serious issues.
I knew that I had bought a few boxes of 50gr Zombie killers from Wes here and there but until last night I didn’t realize I had 7000 laying around. That doesn’t include what’s loaded already.
I should be set for awhile I guess. [emoji57]
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Can't complain about that :)
Pretty good start on the collection :) Lol....
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Originally Posted by Jakebert2001
1 run a year is perfectly acceptable to me....
My best load thru my 24" 1:8 AR. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5a9f6cb1fd.jpg
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Looking good!!
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Nice!!Sent from my SM-J727V using TapatalkQuote:
Originally Posted by Sgt Greybeard
Just to continue this most popular thread...
I get 3300'/s and 0.5MOA from two different Rem700s with Shilen 26" bbls, using just shy of max H335 over the 50Z-Max, and with a half grain more powder I get the same velocity/accuracy from two different
Mossberg MVPs with 24" bbls. I used 50Zs over TAC for 0.25MOA once (averaged 0.35-0.5) in a 24" Stag AR, but velocity was 2970'/s.
Disclaimer: I need perfect shooting conditions to get .5MOA and specifically must deal successfully with heat mirage off the barrels. I can't see through the fog like I used to. ;>)
Another note in favor of Z-Max's; back when I was using TAC in a 20" bbl'd Rem700 I got lucky and knocked 2 Prairie Dogs off the same mound @ a measured 420yds. Given the MV of that load in that rifle, my Zs were only traveling ~1900'/s upon impact but the PDs never heard the sound. They open fast!
I've shot one MT ranch so much I often find the jackets from my Zs lying on the ground. They are spread into a dead flat flower shape. When you try to skip one off a rock (not that I TRY, mind you) they upset and the lead basically disintegrates, but the jacket spins off into the air and whines like a TV ricochet.
When you bullseye the middle of 3 PDs lined up abreast, you occasionally get a triple kill. The concussion (?) from the hit takes out the other two dogs. I've checked this phenomenon several times - mussed fur, splattered in gore, but no visible damage on the other two, yet they're stone dead.
Wow! That's great info! I've had pretty darn good results even in a 16in barrel AR. I know the bullet and I are capable of better results so a barrel swap is in the future. But my goal is to find a bolt gun that will make those 50gr Zmax shine. I have an old Remington Score master .22 that was my Dad's that I cut my teeth on as a young buck. To this day its still the most accurate rifle I own. Made the ground squirrels run like mad when they saw that rifle coming! [emoji1]Quote:
Originally Posted by sagela
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I know of 3 individual mossberg MVPs that hold way under 1moa with our Zs, my two Remmies (4 if you count the original bbls), 1 Stag and a Howa 1500 I let go despite loving it. All ya need is a decent bbl and Z-Maxs.
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Good to know! Thanks for the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by sagela
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I've got a mvp I haven't shot the z's through yet but it is a straight shooter with just about everything I put through it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CodySPowell
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Just curious what combination of brass, primers and COL for those loads?
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Originally Posted by sagela
I have a MVP thin barrel version. If you don’t mind me asking what is the loading components for the accuracy that is being described. I have W 748 and IMR 4320 on hand for my 223s
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Load data we can't give out due to liability reasons, but the loads he is talking about was with our Processed LC brass, CCI and Winchester Primers, and as mentioned, a higher end load is best. They like to be pushed.
The Brass really does make a difference from what I have seen. Our Lake City Processed is very consistent and works good for everyone on our "Team" that makes these trips over to shoot PD's
Ramshot TAC, and H335 Powder. CCI and now Winchester Primers, and in our processed LC 223 brass.
That is what most of our PD team shoots
Works in every rifle all across the groupQuote:
Originally Posted by JTram
My rifle lives Lake City brass, H335 and CCI#41 primers. I've messed around with the OAL and they shoot great at 2.200 up to 2.240. I don't see posted book velocities due to a 16" barrel, but I've yet to find a bullet that's as accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wes Sage
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In your opinion, any differences between using cci and REM 7 1/2s?
Not sure why, but I've had better results in my rigs switching to REM 7 1/2s from cci 400s.Sent from my LGLS992 using TapatalkQuote:
Originally Posted by Wes Sage
Every gun is different, and if your rifle likes them, by all means, use them.
We use what we can get in bulk and for cheap, then we work up out loads as best as possible :)
Winchester primers is what we are getting now, so we are using those.
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Originally Posted by Sgt Greybeard
CCI std small rifle primers, LC brass (dented culls Wes won't sell) and 2.230 C.O.A.L.
In another thread I mentioned I tried all seating depths from the lands down to minimum spec with so little difference I went with 2.230 because it "fits" the bullet. Almost aesthetics here. :)
I found AA2520 as good as H335, Varget was good, 4166 was good. But I buy H335 in felonious quantities so...
"when your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
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Wes I wasn’t looking for the exact powder amount more of like a starting point to work up with so I understand the liability with exact loads that could be different from rifle to rifle and shooter to shooter
Thanks for the information to all. I will check on the powder locally and of course I know where to get the brass and projectiles
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Thank you buddy!! Much appreciated!!
That reply should have been a quote on my part. It was for Sgt Greybeard :)
All loads need to be worked up for your rifle, but start in the middle of the load range and work up from there :)
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